so assume we pass the law this year, and i hope that's the case. five years from now we should look back and there should be fewer people coming illegally because we have an open legal system. both of those paths could create that as long as you change the rest of the system as well. so what's going on in the senate and in the house right now is very positive. i support what senators graham and rubio and mccain and plake are doing with their democratic counterparts. if they can find a path to get to citizenship over the long haul, i would support that. but this book was written to try to get people against reform to be for it. it is a place where i think a lot of conservatives should feel comfortable that there's a way to do this and not violate their principles. >> it's interesting, there's obviously a political component to this about who wants what kind of deal and what does it mean after we move forward. after romney lost a lot of hispanic vote and the republican party's problem with hispanic, one of the things that romney says to his donors af